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Chat / Re: Stik Boat
« Last post by Mokai Dreamin' on June 06, 2020, 11:14:11 PM »
The jet angler propulsion system is very similar to a jet ski propulsion system. I was not suggesting that the boat was anything like a jet ski, but the propulsion system is.

The intake grate size on the version 2 of the Mokai is very similar to the intake grate size on the angler. Earlier versions of the Mokai  had much larger grates, but regardless, jet skis have larger openings, as does the angler.

I'm not sure that so much of a design flaw as it is a design difference. Not being able to have the boat track straight or having it cavitate to me is a design flaw, The boat should not cavitate by design, and it should track straight.

One of the largest players in the jet ski industries is Seadoo, and on something like the Seadoo Spark, it comes stock with an aluminum impeller, and plastic wear ring. Did Sea-Doo do this because it's a better quality option? Heck no, they did it to save cost and lower the entrance price. If you toss in an aftermarket stainless steel impeller and wear ring,  it'll set you back 300+. When it breaks, do you claim it's a design flaw or just a cheap part? The people with the SS impellers are not complaining, so you tell me.

Aquanami, has gone with a number of inexpensive parts, but not so sure they lowered the asking price. In general, the parts are substandard and alloys are cheap. This was talked about last year. It's a pretty boat that goes fast, but quality built, I don't think so.

They really should have shipped it with a stainless steel impeller from the get-go. Stik upgraded its customers to the stainless, but the machining was so poor it didn't fit. It was the last straw for me, and I sold mine.  I hope you get it resolved, and if you need help installing my offer stands to help.




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Chat / Re: New owner!
« Last post by Painlesstom on June 06, 2020, 08:51:49 PM »
Easy fix. I've got the same crack to fix on my 2011 that just popped up recently. I'll make a video so others can see how it's done.  \./8
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Chat / Re: New owner!
« Last post by Craig5251 on June 06, 2020, 08:47:40 PM »
Thanks guys. I just picked up ALL the medicine for this, including Percocet. When this is over, Iíll need your advice Tom, for a crack on top of the cockpit.
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Chat / Re: New owner!
« Last post by niteshft on June 06, 2020, 08:20:09 PM »

Hey @Craig5251 stay in there man, there are meds that can help calm some of those symtoms. I hope your fishing season can be taken advantage of.
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Chat / Re: New owner!
« Last post by Painlesstom on June 06, 2020, 06:58:38 PM »
Hang in there man, hope it passes sooner. I'll be prayin' for ya'!  :-O
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Chat / Re: Stik Boat
« Last post by niteshft on June 06, 2020, 05:37:09 PM »
 Thanks Tom, it's very generous of you to allow the venting/chat about other boats here. I agree, this is no place to bring disputes between customers and manufactures. I've respected you over the years and more so with your tolerance of allowing talk about other boats, especially those your that might effect your business. But who knows, your intellect and knowhow may affect many Stik Boat/JetAngler users around here. There is probably less support for those than the Mokai when they first debued. ;)
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Chat / Re: Stik Boat
« Last post by Painlesstom on June 06, 2020, 04:46:01 PM »
I think using aluminum for the impeller was a bad idea, and the grate opening large enough for fish to pass through is another. You guys are welcome to continue the conversation and vent all you like, but Dan has no business bringing his warranty debate here. I do think the impeller should have been covered under warranty for what it's worth, or offer you a discount on a stainless one. Bad advertising is going to cost him much more in the long run. Just my $.02.
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Chat / Re: Stik Boat
« Last post by niteshft on June 06, 2020, 03:08:26 PM »
 Like I mentioned to Dan, the Mokai can be driven right up onto a gravel beach and not have any issues...we all know that. Unfortunately, the hull on the Angler is fiberglass and cannot do the same thing or the bottom will wear out. The JetAngler/Stik Boat or Mokai is a whole lot different that a Jet-Ski...we all know that, too. These are meant to be used in shallow water and are advertised as such. In that case, extra care is needed in the design to ensure that the drive is protected. Whether a stone in shallow water or a fish, or something else, in deeper water. The overall opening in the grate is smaller on the JetAngler than the Mokai, resulting in a much, greater vacuum and propensity to sucking in debris. This is clearly a design issue not a car accident comparason as Dan has mentioned in his excuse.
 The bracket that holds the heat sensor to the exhaust was the first issue I had with Dan. It was welded to the exhaust so crocked that the sensor fell out within minutes. It took about 2 months to get him to agree there was a problem and a solution was found...drive a piece of rubber between the sensor and the bracket, and it worked. Someone here said rubber wouldn't take the heat but that isn't so. If it is, there is another issue, likely with the water supply that cools the exhaust.
 Dan wanted to make his argument here and asked for the address so others could voice their opinion with his but, I don't want to bring my warranty argument here. I come here for escape and chat with like minded people, not to argue. I would invite him in the future if he's interested but not without Tom's approval. This is a Mokai dedicated site and built by Tom so I would want his say in the matter. I think it would be a good thing in the long run but it's not my say.
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Chat / Re: Stik Boat
« Last post by Mokai Dreamin' on June 06, 2020, 12:10:30 PM »
Just heard from Dan and he likened the incident to a vehicle accident and claims it isn't a warranty issue. I'm not surprised he would go that direction...it's typical of him to come up with "off-the-wall" excuses. It took a couple of months for him to come around with a couple of other issues I found over the winter.
 It's simply a design flaw if the grate openings are large enough to allow objects objects to enter the drive that could cause damage to the impeller. Looks like my fishing is over for some time.
Niteshft:

Just for your information, Dan is the European representative for Aquanami. He is a designer, and not a U.S. representative or salesmen. With the latest agreement with United States,  he can't even sell boats here anymore.  Dan is a hell of a nice guy, but he's gone above and beyond the call of duty to help out people here in the U.S. He's helping you because he originally sold you the boat before Aquanami set-up shop in the U.S. Now's it time for the U.S. plant to take over.

I tend to agree that running over a fish is not a normal occurrence or flaw in the boat,  any more than running over a piece of metal in the road is a flaw of a tire.  There was a specific act that caused a problem. Jet ski have large grate openings too. Typically the large grate opening is not a problem, as the 17.5 HP engine has enough power to chew up most things that would pass through it. Jet ski's 90 HP plus.

If they went with a smaller grate  opening,  then more things would collect on the grate, so it's a bit of a compromise.  I suspect a prop on an outboard would have survived because you're not in a contained area.  It would have hit the prop and flew off ( killed the fish), but probably would not have destroyed the prop.

In the case of the angler,  you're forcing a bunch hard material (fish bones and flesh) through an enclosed space. It's possible if you had a stainless impeller you would have destroyed the housing being made of aluminum. My guess is it would have just chewed it up.

I guess the flipside is China is not exactly known for its superior alloys.  Just get yourself a stainless impeller, and be done with it.  Most manufacturers charge extra ( up to $300 or so)  for stainless upgrades + shipping. 

And if you need any help installing it just give a shout.
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Chat / Re: Stik Boat
« Last post by niteshft on June 06, 2020, 11:33:55 AM »
 Just heard from Dan and he likened the incident to a vehicle accident and claims it isn't a warranty issue. I'm not surprised he would go that direction...it's typical of him to come up with "off-the-wall" excuses. It took a couple of months for him to come around with a couple of other issues I found over the winter.
 It's simply a design flaw if the grate openings are large enough to allow objects objects to enter the drive that could cause damage to the impeller. Looks like my fishing is over for some time.
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