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Title: New owner!
Post by: Craig5251 on January 13, 2019, 08:51:47 AM
 I drove 10 hours Saturday to pick up a 2012 Mokai in NY. Owner was super helpful!
It's snowing now, so I guess I'll wait to hit the water.
It has many of Tom's upgrades.
Question: what kind of oil do I use? I'm in SE Pa.
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Duff on January 13, 2019, 09:41:52 AM
Welcome aboard  \./8 - You can find the manuals for your motor online.
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Craig5251 on January 13, 2019, 10:28:50 AM
Thanks, I think he actually gave me one. I'll check my car
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Painlesstom on January 13, 2019, 06:35:06 PM
Glad you found one. Oil should be 10w-30 full synthetic. Let me know if you have any other questions.   \./8
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Craig5251 on January 14, 2019, 08:25:43 AM
Boat looks & runs great, but the factory seat back is too low. I'm 6'5", and it would not be comfortable at all.
Any thoughts for a replacement, or an add on?
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Painlesstom on January 14, 2019, 09:35:34 AM
Cool, glad to hear it.  \./8

Here's what some of us have done for the seat. -> http://www.improvingyourmokai.com/index.php/topic,42.msg160.html#msg160
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: CC-Coder on January 14, 2019, 12:05:35 PM
Congratulations.  I think youíre going to enjoy your new purchase.
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Craig5251 on January 18, 2019, 07:43:01 PM
I was able to register the Mokai today, and was able to try it out on a local river.
AMAZING! Went about two miles up stream at all different power with no issues.
I was not dressed properly ( 35deg ), so wasn't out long.

The steering is definitely not right, a lot of play. I could use some advice how to fix that. I imagine it's pretty easy.

I have a folding seat on my canoe like the one you guys showed me, so I'll definitely be putting that in.

Very happy!😆😆😆😆😆
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Painlesstom on January 18, 2019, 07:48:26 PM
Good to hear, congrats!

Moving the steering stick, where do you see the play at? What is loose? Or maybe you can try to explain what you are meaning by a lot of play?

Seat upgrade is definitely a good upgrade, look forward to seeing what you do there.
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: happul3 on January 18, 2019, 09:29:40 PM
I was able to register the Mokai today, and was able to try it out on a local river.
AMAZING! Went about two miles up stream at all different power with no issues.
I was not dressed properly ( 35deg ), so wasn't out long.

The steering is definitely not right, a lot of play. I could use some advice how to fix that. I imagine it's pretty easy.

I have a folding seat on my canoe like the one you guys showed me, so I'll definitely be putting that in.

Very happy!😆😆😆😆😆

Congratulations on your first Mokai cruise!  Out of curiosity, what was the local river you mentioned? Brandywine, perchance? I am located not far away - Wilmington - and always look for new Mokai'able locations.
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Craig5251 on January 19, 2019, 09:13:14 AM
Black Rock Ramp on the Schuylkill River, near Phoenixville.
I'm headed out there now before the snow starts.
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: happul3 on January 19, 2019, 01:25:00 PM
Black Rock Ramp on the Schuylkill River, near Phoenixville.
I'm headed out there now before the snow starts.

Wow, you are brave - 34F and ~1 inch of snow today at that location. Hope you'll enjoy your ride nonetheless. How far is the river navigable upstream (previous dam?) from Black Rock?
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Craig5251 on January 19, 2019, 03:16:15 PM
Just got back from the river. Yes, a little chilly, but couldn't wait.
Conservation Officer checked me out, all legal. He was a good guy.
The hunters were out on the water, and less than thrilled I was out, but no problem.

I'm not sure how far you can go on that section, but it's at least 10-20 miles. ( I'll check )

I couldn't find the pins for the windshield. It would sure have been nice with it on, coming back against the wind!
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Craig5251 on January 19, 2019, 03:30:55 PM
I just checked on Google Earth, and I don't see any dams upstream from Black Rock. Low water would be the only issue.
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Painlesstom on January 19, 2019, 04:44:25 PM
Let me know if you can't find the windshield pins, I can make some up for you. Glad you're having fun!
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Duff on January 19, 2019, 04:53:26 PM
Ramp is on black rock road almost a mile north of the dam in Phoenixville. There is a kayak launch in canal park just below the dam.
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Craig5251 on January 19, 2019, 05:59:18 PM
That's ok Tom, small hitch pins should work just fine. If not, I'll let you know.
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Craig5251 on January 19, 2019, 11:51:14 PM
That's the one.
The canal is nice for kayaking too. Not a long trip though.
The river below the dam is pretty shallow in spots, even for a mokai.
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Duff on January 20, 2019, 11:18:14 AM
I can certainly understand the excitement of a new owner wanting to get on the water ASAP. BUT; consider the advice you read. You need to be extremely careful in the cold. Even during warm weather, I almost always plan my trip where I launch and primarily go up river. That way I can at least float and paddle back to the ramp. These boats are just as complicated as any full size boat. Lots of simple things can cause you to get stranded. This time of year there is virtually no one out there to save you. I'm assuming you're also new to the river. You need to learn your water. Know the areas that can be dangerous and how water levels change them. No matter how well you know your water, obstacles will always find you.

Be Safe !   
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Painlesstom on January 20, 2019, 11:32:38 AM
Good advice, Duff. Always going up river in an unknown boat is a must, as well as a plan should something go wrong. I take it for granted people know this, thanks for the reminder that this isn't the case. These boats are fun, but not worth dying for.
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Craig5251 on January 20, 2019, 10:25:13 PM
I bought some small hitch pins that fit good. Hopefully I'll go out next weekend.
Today was 40mph winds & about 20 degrees, so I gave it a rest.
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Craig5251 on March 03, 2019, 06:09:33 PM
Took the boat out before the snow storm hit. ( 6-10" ) nice and sunny most of the time.
Went from Flat Rock Park in Gladwyne, to the dam in Norristown, about 9-10 miles each way. I could never get close due to all the Rapids, until now!
Notice the life ring near my boat!
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Painlesstom on March 03, 2019, 08:06:52 PM
Niice!! You had a great day, glad you had a good time. Thanks for the pics, love seeing bank shots like that. I need to get out of mine more often and take some.  \./8
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Craig5251 on March 04, 2019, 06:59:20 AM
It's great in the winter. High water levels make it so much easier to get around. The Schuylkill River gets very low in the summer, and would be hard to travel, even in a Mokai.

It's also nice being alone on the river, except for the rowing teams. I'm just extra careful in the cold water. That's why I left the life ring alone.

One thing though. I'm not required to take a boater safety course, due to the low HP of the Mokai, but I think I should.
I was yelled at by a rowing coach for weaving through some boats on the river. I turned around to confront him. He calmed down fast, and explained his concern for the girls in the boat.
He was absolutely right! I'm still thinking I'm in my kayak, not a motorboat.
I apologized to him & the girls, and moved on.
Lesson learned.
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Craig5251 on March 25, 2019, 01:52:27 AM
Did a 10 mile trip Sunday. River was about 4' above normal, but not to swift to keep me away. First time out without my fingers going numb. Ramp was very crowded, as you can see.......

Parked on an island that's normally about 4' of dry land, but cruised right over it today.
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Craig5251 on March 25, 2019, 02:01:08 AM
Forgot to mention, I tried out my folding boat seat today. ( no pics yet. )
Wow, what a difference! Very comfy.
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: CC-Coder on March 25, 2019, 12:05:39 PM
Looks like a good time. Watch out for those muddy boat launches, I slipped once, very painful. 😂
Is the one picture an optical illusion or is the front of the boat under water?
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Painlesstom on March 25, 2019, 06:31:03 PM
You're looking through the windshield, Chuck. ;)
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: CC-Coder on March 25, 2019, 06:53:26 PM
Ahh, First person viewer thru the windshield...I might have to try that as an added effect in my next video.
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Painlesstom on March 25, 2019, 06:56:49 PM
LOL  :D
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Craig5251 on March 25, 2019, 11:41:29 PM
Yup. Dirty & broken windshield. I have a new one from Tom, but I'm not sure about the position I want it in.
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Painlesstom on March 25, 2019, 11:46:01 PM
This has been the best position for me. Forward enough to not crowd the cockpit and leaves the grab handle easy to reach, also creates a makeshift "dash" to set things on. Far enough back to block most spray and give some area to duck under if needed.
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Craig5251 on March 25, 2019, 11:51:37 PM
That's about where I'm planning on installing it.

Your up late.
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Painlesstom on March 26, 2019, 08:01:55 AM
Nah, my routine is bed between 12-1am and wake up at 7am.  \./8
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Craig5251 on March 27, 2019, 12:01:53 AM
Hah, me too. Bed at 1-1:30am, up at 7:30.

We're looking at the high 60's Saturday!😄😄😄
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Painlesstom on March 27, 2019, 12:44:26 AM
Haha Nice. Going to be 81 here Saturday.  >:D
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Craig5251 on March 28, 2019, 09:19:41 AM
Yeah, no hurry for the high heat & humidity. I run an 8 color printing press, with no air in the shop.
Getting too old for the heat, humidity, ink & chemicals. Not to mention super high stress due to deadlines.

I wanted to go on the Susquehanna River last week, near Three Mile Island ( didn't even know it was the 40th anniversary of the partial meltdown. ), but ran out of time. Maybe this week.
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Painlesstom on March 28, 2019, 01:35:13 PM
I hear you there, I don't have AC in my shop either. Makes it fun when it's 100į and I have to turn the fans off because I have Mig welding to do. I prefer hot and humid over cold any day though, this cool weather is definitely nice.. 75į right now. I'm itchin' to go fishin'!! haha  >:D
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Craig5251 on March 29, 2019, 06:19:41 PM
Went to the Limerick Nuclear Plant today. Very cloudy, and some light rain

Saw a cool bridge too. Love the decorative design. You can see the original stone, then the concrete addition.

My new seat is working out great!
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Painlesstom on March 29, 2019, 06:33:43 PM
Very cool! Love old bridges myself, especially railroad bridges. Another member here has used that seat too, a little heavy, but it was comfortable. The nuke plant was cool, I have a paper mill on my stretch of the river, not sure which is preferable..  ;D
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Maritimer on March 29, 2019, 07:17:31 PM
Speaking of seats, I thought this would good enough for me, but I think it's a bit too wide to fit in my Es-Kape - which  I can't check because it's locked in the shed under four feet of snow at my cottage.

https://www.walmart.ca/en/ip/ozark-trail-low-profile-arm-chair/6000196426020

Same price in Canada as the U.S., which makes it a bargain up here.
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Painlesstom on March 29, 2019, 08:31:59 PM
ES-kape cockpit width.  ;)
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: CC-Coder on March 29, 2019, 09:47:24 PM
Think I started a post about Mokai Seats a few years ago with a similar seat. I believe it was to wide, but not positive.

http://www.improvingyourmokai.com/index.php/topic,1485.msg12600.html#msg12600
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Maritimer on March 29, 2019, 09:52:46 PM
Thanks Tom. Close, but no cigar, eh? The seat is 22 inches wide. Too bad, since it looks more comfortable than the Mokai OEM and is pretty cheap and light.

== Steve ==
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Craig5251 on March 30, 2019, 12:14:09 AM
Tom, do you have a link for that hatch opening? Mine is the round, twist to open kind. Very hard to open, especially if the threads are dirty.
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Painlesstom on March 30, 2019, 08:48:03 AM
This would be the one.  ;)

 https://www.ebay.com/itm/SEAFLO-MARINE-BOAT-DECK-ACCESS-HATCH-LID-14-75-X10-6-WHITE-270mm-x-375mm/201253746836?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: CC-Coder on March 30, 2019, 10:35:21 AM
Short tutorial of how I installed ours.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhqgeMGD0qU

Amazon Seaflo Storage Hatch - https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01AS8MINA/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o07_s02?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Craig5251 on March 30, 2019, 08:15:33 PM
Thanks for the link Tom, I'm ordering one.

Loved the video CC. about what I figured, but always good to see it done.

I just got back from the Susquehanna River. Had a blast!
Went about 3-4 miles up the Swatara Creek first. I'll be back to that soon.

Then hit the Susquehanna, for about 5 hours! First day of 70 degree weather, so many Jon Boats on the water.
3 mile island was cool too, but too far downriver, in fairly strong current.

I had so many boats come over to me asking questions about the Mokai! It will look even better when I install Tom's windshield.
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Painlesstom on March 30, 2019, 10:04:47 PM
Glad to help and glad you got to have some fun today! Looks like you had a blast.

When installing the hatch, after the cutout is made and the hatch fits into it. I hold the hatch tightly and use it as the guide to drill a corner hole, then put a screw in and loosely start the nut for it. Then drill an opposite corner and do the same. Once those two are holding things securely I follow up and drill all the remaining holes. That way I know for a fact everything will line up exactly without worry. Then I pull the hatch out, put a generous bead of polyurethane around the perimeter of the hatch mating area, then set it back in it's hole and install all the screws. Start at the edges and work your way in, the cover and tank will conform to each other.

I can't wait till Wednesday to get out on the water for a test run, I got one of those orange Mokai that have been in Hawaii for years here ready to go. Customer bought it locally and brought it to me for the total treatment. 75 and sunny will make for a fun trip.  \./8
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Craig5251 on March 31, 2019, 08:21:36 AM
I've never seen an orange Mokai! Show a pic if you can.

I do have a question. My boat keeps veering slightly to the right. I realized the pump nozzle is not straight.
What do I do?
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Painlesstom on March 31, 2019, 08:49:38 AM
The nozzle is controlled by your hand, so that will be straight while your on the water. The boat wanting to veer is a common trait with these. When you clamp the pump down, rotate it so it's about at the 12:05 position first. 5 minutes to the right has always made a positive difference for me.

Orange was a one time thing Mokai did for an organization back in 2007, made 15 of them. This one came from Hawaii, from a failed rental venture, and found it's way to a guy here in GA who sold it to another guy an hour away from me. Then it ended up at my shop for rebuild. It was a mess, ate up with salt corrosion, many hacks, and missing several parts. It's finally ready for a river test next week, it's solid now but always to going to be the ugly duckling. LOL
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Craig5251 on March 31, 2019, 09:35:26 AM
Thanks for the tip. I'll do that next time.

Yikes! I thought they would look cool, I was wrong.....
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Craig5251 on March 31, 2019, 09:51:47 AM
I want to hose out my boat today, any advice? I want to rinse the motor too. Do I need to cover anything on it? Obviously remove the motor.
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Painlesstom on March 31, 2019, 02:05:22 PM
I'd leave the motor alone, do NOT rinse with water. You don't want to get the muffler wet either. Keep it dry. If you want to clean the block up, take the motor out and use brake clean from a spray can. But with the motor pulled out you can hose the inside of the boat down no problem, I use simple green and a long handle brush. Prop the bow up on something a couple feet high and pull the drain plug, hose it out.
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Craig5251 on March 31, 2019, 04:22:36 PM
I can't get the motor to slide forward! It's really cruddy in there. Not sure what to do.
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Painlesstom on March 31, 2019, 04:35:22 PM
There is a "helper" handle under the starter on the mounting base. Pull it away from the motor and it will help push the motor forward. A cheater bar on there helps.
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Craig5251 on March 31, 2019, 05:30:43 PM
I got it out right after I posted. I let it get too dirty.
Did a good job, even took the storage tank out, scrubbed it with Simple Green, then rinsed.
Blowing 40+ today, so I'll finish the tough spots later.
Thanx for the reply
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Painlesstom on March 31, 2019, 05:55:59 PM
Cool, at least you got to spend some quality time with it. lol Windy here today too, didn't stop me from going out though!  \./8
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Craig5251 on March 31, 2019, 09:01:01 PM
Yeah, I thought about a short trip today, but figured I'd better clean my girl up. Oil change is next. She's taken great care of me, so I'd better do the same for her.
I noticed a decent vibration yesterday, so I'll look into that to.

I like that ramp, nice and wide.
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Painlesstom on March 31, 2019, 09:04:09 PM
Use a good synthetic 10w-30 and watch the video on the proper level if you don't know already. Vibration likely from some debris hung up in the impeller, might not be there now so don't pull your hair out trying to figure it out if you don't see anything.  \./8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GqAmsX-cQs
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Craig5251 on March 31, 2019, 09:41:02 PM
Ok. Everything is clean now, but that was likely the issue. Lots of debris in the water.
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Craig5251 on April 04, 2019, 08:11:51 AM
I ordered the hatch today on Amazon, $10 cheaper.
Rain Fri-Sat, so I hope to install new windshield & hatch.
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Painlesstom on April 04, 2019, 02:48:26 PM
Yeah, you have to shop around for the best price. Sounds like you'll have a fun weekend project, look forward to seeing how everything turns out. Have fun.  ;D
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Craig5251 on April 05, 2019, 08:52:15 AM
I need to remember to take before & after pics. Always looks better.

Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Craig5251 on April 05, 2019, 03:44:45 PM
Windshield was very easy to install! Looks so much better. I put it like yours Tom, over the handle, for a " dashboard ).


I have the tray, but it hits my knees, so I'll need to work on that.

I do have a question: Is it supposed to rub on the hull like this? Also, the cone shakes a lot, and makes a lot of noise when at idle. It's actually not rubbing, but just touching the hull.
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Painlesstom on April 05, 2019, 03:52:59 PM
Cool. You installed the brackets backwards, they shouldn't have been visible, but they will work like you have them.

Nozzle will rattle out of the water, everything you see there is normal.. albeit annoying.. but normal. lol  :D
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Craig5251 on April 05, 2019, 05:20:03 PM
Crap, I was wondering why it was a pain to put the pins in. That's ok, I'm happy. I can see ahead of me now!!
Changed the oil, and hatch should arrive later today. Hope it does, the compartment is out of the boat for cleaning. I need it to support my seat. It was a real pain to get out! Ratchet straps bent the cockpit a bit, so it was tight.

I thought the rattling was normal, but had to be sure.
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Painlesstom on April 05, 2019, 05:27:09 PM
Next time read the instructions I send, they have pictures.  :D

I wouldn't suggest using ratchet straps across that section of the hull, they don't "bend" the cockpit to make that a tight fit.. it already is. And prone to cracking there on the top on each side. You don't want to put a lot of tension on the hull regardless of where you run the strap, so it's best to attach it at the trailer ahead of the rear hood latch and runt he strap under the back of the hood over the hull and then back down to the trailer ahead of that rear hood latch. Then the little bit of tension will pull the boat forward against the bow stop and keep it from moving side to side without putting a lot of down force on anything.
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: CC-Coder on April 05, 2019, 06:04:47 PM
You can try my new option if your looking for another project.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZmVLViN2XY
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Craig5251 on April 05, 2019, 10:16:59 PM
I did use your instructions, but I guess I didn't pay close enough attention to the pictures.

I'll move the strap positions. I don't want to hurt it.

I bought the JB Weld today, and will do the ring during the week.
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Craig5251 on April 05, 2019, 10:22:31 PM
Is this worn enough?
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Painlesstom on April 05, 2019, 10:33:21 PM
Nothing wrong with that, there isn't any wear there to fill in, leave it alone and run it. And if you bought anything other than JB Marine Weld, find another use for it it won't work on this.  ;)
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Painlesstom on April 05, 2019, 10:40:31 PM
Video starts where I'm showing how much clearance is ok, if you think you have more than this is showing then it would ok to resurface the wear ring. https://youtu.be/aO8U7Yh-n2M?t=264
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Craig5251 on April 06, 2019, 12:43:22 AM
I've never seen this video. Just watched it three times! My ring is stuck in there, so I'll have to get it out without damaging the ring.
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Larry on April 06, 2019, 08:36:11 AM
First time I've seen the video. Every new owner should watch this including us old timers. I was always wondering about the clearance of the wear ring.
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Painlesstom on April 06, 2019, 08:59:32 AM
Don't try to pull it straight out, use both hands to press outward while twisting. If it's been in there a while you might find a piece of wood to tap around the wear ring will help free it. It is a slip in fit, it isn't pressed in, so don't think you need to do anything crazy for it to come out. Just some gentle coaxing.
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Craig5251 on April 06, 2019, 01:46:28 PM
Thanks Tom.

My father in law ( 91 years old ) is in the hospital having heart surgery. I'm there now, and ask for your prayers.
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Painlesstom on April 06, 2019, 05:32:51 PM
Sorry to hear that, I will definitely pray for a successful procedure and speedy recovery.
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Craig5251 on April 06, 2019, 05:58:37 PM
Thanks for the prayers, he is out of surgery, and doing so much better! He had a temporary pace maker put in, and it really helped.

I'm home now, and just cut out the hole for the hatch that came today. I just assumed there was hardware included...Nope.
I have to go to the hardware anyway, as I'm fresh out of silicon. So much easier with it out of the boat.
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Painlesstom on April 06, 2019, 06:05:49 PM
Awesome, thank God for that! Glad to hear all went well.  \./8

10-32 5/8" tapered head screws with nyloc nuts is what I use, seal with polyurethane. Silicone would be fine too. Start at the edges and work your way in, the hatch and tank will conform as you go. Orientation should be hinge at the bottom.
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Craig5251 on April 06, 2019, 06:17:27 PM
Perfect! I wasn't sure what size to get.
If all is well with her dad, I hope to do a short river trip.
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Craig5251 on April 06, 2019, 10:39:34 PM
Well, I got the hatch done. I'm not proud, but it works great. It was level when I started...........
I used the polyurethane that Tom suggested, and bought the stainless bolts & locnuts.

At least my seat covers it.
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: CC-Coder on April 06, 2019, 10:53:48 PM
Youíll enjoy the extra storage. As long as it opens and closes. 👍🏻
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Painlesstom on April 06, 2019, 11:40:17 PM
Nobody ever installed one because it looks cool.... LOL It's the function that counts!  :D
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Craig5251 on April 07, 2019, 08:08:17 AM
Opens & closes fine, with a good seal. I avoided using the old screw in one, it was hard on the fingers.
Headed out today to show off my new windshield.
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Craig5251 on April 08, 2019, 12:21:13 AM
Went out on the river today at Valley Forge Nat'l Park. Was never able to before due to shallow water.
Went downstream  to the upper side of the Norristown dam. Wanted to walk around, but there were too many homeless camps on the banks. I went a little bit upstream, and found a handgun on the bank. Pic to come.

Then went upstream to Oaks. Unfortunately, a two foot high rock dam kept me from going farther. For the first time, I forgot my PFD, and it wasn't worth the risk.

Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Painlesstom on April 08, 2019, 12:31:18 AM
Nice, sounds like you had a great day.  :)
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Craig5251 on April 08, 2019, 11:26:45 PM
The handgun find was a joke, though I did find a musket barrel in the Brandywine Creek about six years ago. I donated it to the historical society. The last shotgun I found in the water under a bridge, I turned in to the police. I'm sure it was stolen.

My new windshield was great! It's nice being able to see through it.
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Painlesstom on April 09, 2019, 06:15:28 PM
Cool. Not one to get into the water but it's cool to see what others pull out. Your hood should be modified so it will flow more air and cool better.  See pic below.  ;)
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: fairweatherfisherman on April 09, 2019, 10:24:58 PM
Nice post. Be careful below low head dams. I donít know about that one, but they can be extremely hazardous. Recirculating currents, etc.
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Craig5251 on April 10, 2019, 08:01:37 AM
Wow Tom, I just assumed the hood was your design. It does have a Shute that directs the air to the intake.
I wasn't concerned in the winter, but it's warming up fast now.

As for low head dams, yes I know. This is just rocks, but the current was a little too strong to risk it without my PFD on.
I'm going to store it in the boat from now on.
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Painlesstom on April 10, 2019, 08:20:18 AM
The muffler required the back of the hood to be cut out and my fiberglass cover installed; I don't make hoods, just make them work better. I've been cutting the inlet openings for years, but that muffler cover was installed by the previous owner. Can tell by the fasteners that were used, I've never used washers. But that inlet is being choked off by that "scoop", using a jigsaw to cut it out to match the front will effective double the inlet area and allow that much more air to enter.  ;D
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Craig5251 on April 10, 2019, 10:38:16 PM
Yikes! I'll definitely open it up!! I thought it was kinda small, but I just figured it was your design, and that was fine by me.

Question: After I installed the new hatch, I put the unit back in the boat, but even though it's attached to the factory " thingy " in the back, it keeps moving around. Is there any other way to lock it in? Maybe a wedge?
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Painlesstom on April 10, 2019, 11:31:20 PM
Give it a few bumps with your foot to push it back some more, probably just isn't wedged in enough. It's a tight fit when it's all the way in. The front bottom edge should be an inch behind the corrugating ribs in the floor of the hull.
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: CC-Coder on April 11, 2019, 03:56:11 PM
Mine kept on sliding back a few inches so I attached two brackets to hold it in place. Pushing my back against it when I get out of the boat was probably the reason for it moving. Also had 2 cracks on top of the haul that I fixed near the haul braces. I haven't had to repair anymore cracks between the cockpit and engine since the braces. Coincidence?  ;) I try to be more careful when stepping in and out now.
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Craig5251 on April 13, 2019, 02:00:23 AM
Well, I looked at the position of the flotation tank, and you were absolutely right, it's not in all the way.
I'm going back to that RR bridge with decorative holes in it Sat, so I'll push it all the way back before I go out.
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Craig5251 on April 18, 2019, 12:14:26 AM
Tank is where it belongs now.

Q: I just bought a new iPad, and I need an App to check my speed in the water. Any suggestions?
It will only be used for this.

Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Craig5251 on April 18, 2019, 12:18:49 AM
Spring is in the air!😀😀😀😀
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Craig5251 on April 18, 2019, 12:25:22 AM
The only good part of my trip last week. Rained heavy the night before. Way too much debris in the water!
After six clean outs in 1 hour, it was time to call it quits.
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Larry on April 18, 2019, 07:15:48 AM
Tank is where it belongs now.

Q: I just bought a new iPad, and I need an App to check my speed in the water. Any suggestions?
It will only be used for this.

I use the Speed Box app.
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Painlesstom on April 18, 2019, 07:19:46 AM
I use the GPS Speedometer app, or GEO Tracker. Both work well. They won't register much in top water vegetation like that though!! Wow that's thick.. lol 
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Craig5251 on April 23, 2019, 09:23:35 AM
I used the Speedometer app Sunday. I was only going 5 mph upstream, but it was in strong flood current.
I probably average around 8 mph normally.

Tom, want to put an eye bolt in the front of the Mokai. Is the flotation foam only held in by the screws, or is there adhesive involved?
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Painlesstom on April 23, 2019, 09:35:44 AM
Pull your pump and wear ring, set the wear ring down over the impeller and see how much clearance you have. Assuming you have my aluminum ring. If so it might be time to resurface. Most speed related issues are from too much clearance there. Video starts where I'm demonstrating the clearance check.

http://youtu.be/aO8U7Yh-n2M?t=269

Take the retaining plates loose, and the foam will slide right out.  \./8
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Craig5251 on April 23, 2019, 11:34:04 PM
Thanks Tom, Iíll check the ring this weekend. Iíll have to order the JB Weld, no one has the ď marine ď in stock around here.

I figured the flotation would come out, but wanted to check.
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Craig5251 on April 27, 2019, 04:14:19 AM
The whole reason I bought a Mokai was to relic hunt in rivers & creeks. That was Aquachiggerís doing.
The one thing I was missing was a quality metal detector, until now.
I just ordered a Garret AT Max package, with the Z-Link option. Not cheap, but we still have plenty of Revolutionary War history to be found!

I havenít had the time to re-surface my aluminum ring yet, too busy at work. Itís not too bad actually, but Iíll do it anyway.
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: CC-Coder on April 27, 2019, 10:13:17 PM
Congrats on getting the AT Max, hope you find a lot of cool stuff. I never miss one of Chiggs videos.
Did you see where he did season 1 of River Hunters, a History Channel-UK show?
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Craig5251 on April 28, 2019, 01:18:22 AM
As far as I know, itís not available in the US. Am I wrong?
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: CC-Coder on April 28, 2019, 10:46:51 PM
You are correct.
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Craig5251 on May 04, 2019, 08:24:51 AM
Headed to Holtwood Dam today, canít wait. Picís to come.
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Painlesstom on May 04, 2019, 08:38:02 AM
Cool!! Have fun  :)
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Craig5251 on May 04, 2019, 08:09:35 PM
Had a blast at Holtwood today! Couldnít get past Route 372 due to the discharge from the dam, and the shallow water, but thatís fine. Spent about 4 1/2 hours on the water.
The only problem I had was the hidden rocks just below the surface. I ran over quite a few!
When thereís no current, thereís no ripple to show where the rock is.
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Painlesstom on May 04, 2019, 08:13:44 PM
You had a good time from the looks of it, that's such an awesome place to explore. I hope to get up there again one day when the weather is nice. Have you gone up Muddy Creek yet?
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Craig5251 on May 05, 2019, 07:52:52 AM
I went up to the second big rapid. There were some white water kayakers playing in it. They had lots of questions for me!
What the hell is that thing, itís so cool! The current was too strong to walk it past.
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Craig5251 on May 05, 2019, 08:05:19 AM
I just looked it up. NOPE! I think Iíll stay away from white water for the foreseeable future.
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Painlesstom on May 05, 2019, 08:08:15 AM
Nice, that's where we stopped too I think.

https://youtu.be/8Nz9L0YQEYs?t=1284
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Craig5251 on May 05, 2019, 12:25:29 PM
Yup, thatís it.
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Craig5251 on May 16, 2019, 11:20:21 PM
Headed to New Jersey Saturday, to the Rivergate Boat Ramp on the Delaware River. Itís directly across from the old Philadelphia Navy Yard. I love this route!
I go across the Del River, and up the Schuylkill River through downtown Philadelphia, to the Art Museum. ( home of Rocky Balboa )
Pics to come!
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Painlesstom on May 16, 2019, 11:24:37 PM
Awesome! Looking forward to those pics!!  >:D
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: CC-Coder on May 16, 2019, 11:37:10 PM
Lots to see when the rivers run through major cities too. Pittsburgh and Cleveland were awesome and weíre looking at other cities to check out. Canít wait to see your pictures, might have to add Philly to our list.
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Craig5251 on May 16, 2019, 11:57:09 PM
Iím hoping to go to Pittsburgh this summer. Any advice for boat ramps would be appreciated.
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: CC-Coder on May 17, 2019, 01:15:35 AM
We launched for free on the Southside. The park is near the REI. Up river from the point on the Mon River. I can send you details on our trip when your ready.

https://friendsoftheriverfront.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/TRWT-Map_Map-and-Guide_2015_web.pdf

http://www.improvingyourmokai.com/index.php/topic,1624.0.html

https://www.riversofsteel.com/_uploads/files/FOR%203%20Rivers%20Guide.pdf
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Craig5251 on May 17, 2019, 07:22:26 PM
I just downloaded the river map. Thanks!
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: CC-Coder on May 17, 2019, 10:02:37 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6YPo4LUwAA
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Painlesstom on May 18, 2019, 08:17:18 AM
Cool video, Chuck. Great job on the editing and narrating, love those bridges at 12:56!  \./8
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: bizler on May 18, 2019, 11:05:58 AM
Really fine job on your video. I really enjoyed seeing the sights from the waterways.  Good job.  \./8 \./8 \./8
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: CC-Coder on May 18, 2019, 09:58:20 PM
Thanks....again? Lol
I was letting Craig see our Pittsburgh trip that I posted on the forum last year, certainly was one to remember. We really like the city tours, always so much variety to take in.
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: CC-Coder on May 18, 2019, 10:17:22 PM
Cool video, Chuck. Great job on the editing and narrating, love those bridges at 12:56!  \./8

The area around that train bridge has a little history too. George Washington capsized his raft near the bridge and slept on the island. Guess he should have had a Mokai. 😃
 
ďHerrs Island became Washingtonís Landing to honor a story that during the French and Indian War George Washington himself slept on the island after his raft capsized on the Allegheny River.Ē
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Painlesstom on May 18, 2019, 11:22:01 PM
Hahaha That's pretty cool.  :D
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Craig5251 on May 19, 2019, 04:39:13 PM
Loved the video!
I had a great time on the Delaware & Schuylkill rivers Saturday. Lots of sun, and little wind.

I even brought my one gallon ( filled half way ) reserve can just in case. Glad I did.
After going from the RiverGate boat ramp, across the Delaware River, all the way up to the Art Museum, and cruising around a while, then back to the Delaware, and up to the Walt Whitman Bridge, and back. Half way to the bridge, I checked my gas, and it had about 1/2Ē of gas!
The wind had picked up in the afternoon, and the river was getting pretty rough. That caused me to consume more gas, but I was having a blast, and didnít want to go back!!
 
Pics: former Philadelphia Navy Yard. The ship on the right is the USS Bob Hope.
30th Street Station
A little mud larking

More to come!
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Craig5251 on May 19, 2019, 04:48:51 PM
Oh well, it wonít even let me post ONE picture. I donít understand.
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Painlesstom on May 19, 2019, 05:40:58 PM
File size is usually why pics get kicked back. Email them to me and I'll add them for you. painlesstom@improvingyourmokai.com
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Craig5251 on May 19, 2019, 09:21:57 PM
Thatís what it said. Iíll email them soon.
Thanks Tom
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: CC-Coder on May 20, 2019, 11:09:21 AM
Did you use a gps app to track your distance? I can see why your gas was getting low, looks like a 40 mile trip according to my map. Tons to see I bet, nice pics. Thanks for posting.
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Craig5251 on May 21, 2019, 12:10:13 AM
No GPS, just local knowledge. It was around 20-25 miles round trip.
I use more gas to push my 6í 5Ē 310 lbs, plus the weight of the gas. Another big factor is the waves. I used at least a full gallon, just on the Delaware River.
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Craig5251 on May 27, 2019, 09:05:17 AM
I went to a new river access Saturday. After a 1 1/2 hour drive, I found the spot..........a near vertical, 30 ft dirt path! I donít think so!
I knew there was a chance it would be no good, as it was listed as a kayak access.
My back up plan was to go to Blue Marsh Lake, 20 minutes away. Iíve never been there, but knew it would be full of jet skis & water skiers, so I passed.
Instead, I drove downstream and put in at an isolated ramp Iíve used before. Nice trip ( 4 hours ), but the weather changed fast!
I took shelter under a bridge while it poured! Another storm was coming, with black clouds, so I turned around and headed back to the car about an hour away.

I do have a question: At full Throttle, like powering though rapids, the engine chokes! It literally stops, then starts again, then stops & starts. I couldnít steer in the rapid, and was pushed sideways, not good.
Thoughts?
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Painlesstom on May 27, 2019, 09:39:15 AM
Was it shutting off like you killed the ignition, or was it sputtering like a fuel issue? Rough water conditions when that happened makes me wonder if that engine has a low oil sensor on it. Look for a single orange wire coming out from behind the flywheel cover opposite the carb side. The charging coil wires are blue so no worry about mistaking them. If you see one orange wire, un plug it. But be sure to check your oil level too. If you don't have a oil sensor then check the black wire that is snaked on top of the block which is your coil ground shut off wire. Make sure nothing in that cirucuit is rubbed bare and touching anything etc.. Let me know what you find.
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Craig5251 on May 27, 2019, 05:41:20 PM
Thanks Tom. I just put the boat away for a rainy Tuesday, so Iíll check it this coming weekend.
Iím pretty sure there is an oil sensor.
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Craig5251 on May 31, 2019, 09:02:05 AM
Iím interested in seeing Washington DC from the Potomac this summer. Iíve never been there, but will do the ď tourist ď thing another time.
Advice for safe RAMPS would be appreciated.
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: CC-Coder on May 31, 2019, 03:37:58 PM
Iím interested in seeing Washington DC from the Potomac this summer. Iíve never been there, but will do the ď tourist ď thing another time.
Advice for safe RAMPS would be appreciated.

This site looks promising...https://www.potomacriver.org/resources/maps/mapdownload/

How far up river does the saltwater travel?
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Larry on June 01, 2019, 01:50:43 PM
Never been on the lower Potomac, but the upper Potomac is great for the Mokai. Great Smallmouth fishing too.
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Craig5251 on June 02, 2019, 08:21:58 AM
This site looks promising...https://www.potomacriver.org/resources/maps/mapdownload/

How far up river does the saltwater travel?

Thanks for the link!
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Craig5251 on June 02, 2019, 08:39:00 AM
Happul3 and I did an 8 hour trip on the Schuylkill River and the Delaware River Saturday. About 32-33 miles!

I have trouble loading picís, so I hope he can.
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: happul3 on June 02, 2019, 10:51:03 AM
Happul3 and I did an 8 hour trip on the Schuylkill River and the Delaware River Saturday. About 32-33 miles!

I have trouble loading picís, so I hope he can.

Posted in Pictures/Videos section
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Craig5251 on June 02, 2019, 12:28:39 PM
Was it shutting off like you killed the ignition, or was it sputtering like a fuel issue? Rough water conditions when that happened makes me wonder if that engine has a low oil sensor on it. Look for a single orange wire coming out from behind the flywheel cover opposite the carb side. The charging coil wires are blue so no worry about mistaking them. If you see one orange wire, un plug it. But be sure to check your oil level too. If you don't have a oil sensor then check the black wire that is snaked on top of the block which is your coil ground shut off wire. Make sure nothing in that cirucuit is rubbed bare and touching anything etc.. Let me know what you find.

I waited until the last minute, before my trip Saturday, so I didnít check the wires. I didnít have any issues with it this time, but no rapids either.
I did find out my hull is no good in ANY waves! Happul3 was cruising through the waves ( with some spray ), and I was getting thrown around in all directions! Very hard to steer.
At one point, the bow, up to the cockpit was submerged in water, after coming down a SMALL swell. That was scary.
But at least I know now, and I still love ❤️ my boat!
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Craig5251 on June 09, 2019, 08:17:28 AM
Iím trying to figure out my problem uploading pics. Now even one pic is too much dada! Is it my iPad? Do I need to use an App? I want to post my pics without having to email them to Tom to do it! HELP!
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Painlesstom on June 09, 2019, 08:23:30 AM
Pictures need to be less than 2mb and if over 1mb it's best to upload one at a time. Emailing them to me is no problem.
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Craig5251 on June 09, 2019, 09:33:10 AM
I think I may have figured out one problem. My pics are ď live ď. That means each one has a few seconds of ďlive video ď included. Iím going to try canceling the live part.
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Craig5251 on June 09, 2019, 09:35:42 AM
That wasnít it.
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Painlesstom on June 09, 2019, 09:55:41 AM
All but one of your images were over 2mb in size, that's why. They have be resized before uploading.
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Craig5251 on June 09, 2019, 04:43:13 PM
Iím looking at different pic sharing Apps. Thanks for posting these.
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Painlesstom on June 09, 2019, 07:38:32 PM
No problem. Just go in the settings of your camera and set it to take a lower resolution picture if it has the option. You can also take a screen shot of the picture you took, and that will reduce it's file size too. If you have a paint program it can resize pictures. So there are some options for you, just have to get that file size down. Storage space on the website isn't unlimited. haha
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Craig5251 on June 09, 2019, 10:45:45 PM
The train bridge is called the Rockville Bridge. Itís the longest continuous stone arch bridge in the world! They donít make them like that anymore.
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Craig5251 on June 15, 2019, 03:28:23 PM
Sooo much yard work to do! This is only the second weekend that Iím not on the water since I bought the Mokai last Fall.
I may start to get withdrawal symptoms.......
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Painlesstom on June 15, 2019, 03:35:33 PM
Know the feeling.. Sometimes you just have to juggle things around to make it happen. LOL I got a ride in yesterday evening, then cut grass this morning. haha
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Craig5251 on June 18, 2019, 08:43:11 PM
Chigg sunk his Mokai! Just like I almost did. Heís good though.
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Painlesstom on June 18, 2019, 08:49:20 PM
Is there a video link or any more details???  :-O
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: CC-Coder on June 18, 2019, 09:30:20 PM
The Chigg will live to hunt another day, glad he and the boat survived.
Last minute of video...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnqsqflUrbQ
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Painlesstom on June 18, 2019, 09:43:51 PM
Think that's the first time I've seen a good view of how he has it set up. Glad it wasn't a roll over, just swamping it like that it will just take cleaning the carb and possibly changing the oil. He'll be up and running again without too much trouble.  \./8
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Craig5251 on June 18, 2019, 11:03:27 PM
Yeah, I knew about the seat, but didnít know he cut out part of the cockpit! The high seat would be great for seeing upstream, as well as into the water. Beau is one clever man.
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Craig5251 on July 02, 2019, 10:01:50 PM
I hurt my back last weekend, while helping a motorboat that was sinking on the Schuylkill River. In my hurry to get help at a boat club nearby, I slipped on the ramp. Recovering this week at home, ( on my birthday no less ), so no outings for a while.

The Grandfather and his two grandchildren are fine, thanks to the only person I could find, who put his jet ski in the water immediately.
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Painlesstom on July 02, 2019, 10:14:51 PM
Ouch, hope you heal quickly.  :-O

Sounds like one heck of a birthday present, nice being able to help someone when you can, just that this one ended up being a gift you had to pay for yourself.
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: CC-Coder on July 03, 2019, 08:58:24 AM
Heal up quick, the water will be there when you do. Happy Birthday!
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Craig5251 on July 03, 2019, 06:10:38 PM
Thanks guys. Iím not hurt bad, so no worries. The last time it happened I couldnít even move, and ended up having a pulmonary embolism. Thatís when I gave up on flying a paramotor, and for the Mokai instead.

And yes, it was great to be able to help on the river.
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Craig5251 on July 22, 2019, 09:20:54 AM
Three weeks off the water, but Iím back! My back is 99% healed, so I went snorkeling in the river Sunday. I ordered a new mask that Aquachigger recommended, and tried it out. Unfortunately, the water was too murky, but it works.
Felt good being out on the water again!

Iíll be hitting the salt water in Stone Harbor next weekend for the first time. They have a fresh water wash off at the ramp, so Iíll definitely take advantage of that.
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Painlesstom on July 22, 2019, 09:34:49 AM
Glad to hear it! Plenty of the season left to enjoy too, so get out there and have fun!  \./8
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: happul3 on July 22, 2019, 02:45:23 PM
Three weeks off the water, but Iím back! My back is 99% healed, so I went snorkeling in the river Sunday. I ordered a new mask that Aquachigger recommended, and tried it out. Unfortunately, the water was too murky, but it works.
Felt good being out on the water again!

Iíll be hitting the salt water in Stone Harbor next weekend for the first time. They have a fresh water wash off at the ramp, so Iíll definitely take advantage of that.

Great to hear you have recovered and back on water! Looking forward to your Stone Harbor (NJ, right?)pictures and story. Personally, I have only dared to go into brackish water so far... Incidentally, if you take an empty bucket with you, it can be filled with fresh water after the ride and used to soak the pump for a little while. Or do it after returning home. Much better than spraying, I think.

   
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Painlesstom on July 22, 2019, 03:25:49 PM
 Just a reminder that salt water is horrible for these boats... rinsing only delays the inevitable. Not so much the pump, but the engine and electrical.  :(
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Craig5251 on July 30, 2019, 12:10:53 PM
Fortunately, the whole area I was cruising in was a no wake zone, so no water got into the engine at all. Also, before leaving, I sprayed a ton of corrosion preventive on it.
Afterwardís I went to the car wash ( removed engine first ) and washed it down good. I think Iím good.

I talked in the past about going to the Three Rivers area in Pittsburgh this year, and just found out that the Flight 93 Memorial is directly on the way! Iím definitely going there. Might even go up to Lake Erie.
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Craig5251 on July 30, 2019, 02:05:55 PM
My God tts so hard to get the motor back in! After 20 minutes in 93 deg heat, I had to take a break. Mounting feet and base are clean, just such a tight fit! WHY?!
Iíll be sending the feet to Tom this winter to be machined a little smaller. Not worth the risk of doing it myself, and going too far.
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Painlesstom on July 30, 2019, 03:10:51 PM
Yup, send them down and I'll fix them up no problem.
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Craig5251 on July 30, 2019, 03:15:09 PM
Break is over, time to try it again. Iíll get it eventually.
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Craig5251 on July 30, 2019, 03:41:41 PM
Break is over, time to try it again. Iíll get it eventually.

Got it. Totally forgot that I needed to apply a little pressure on one side, and it pops right in.

This is the most humidity Iíve seen in decades!
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Painlesstom on July 30, 2019, 04:19:14 PM
Cool, glad you can go back to playing again. Enjoy!
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Craig5251 on August 10, 2019, 12:01:23 PM
Are there ever ď Mokai Gatherings ď? I would love something like that!

BTW, looks like my stalling issues were fixed today, with Tomís help. Cleaned the carb, but it ran even worse! Took it out, did it all again. Put it back in, and wouldnít even start.
Took it out again, took it apart...again.
Turns out the throttle linkage kept getting knocked off when I put the air filter back on!!🤬🤬🤬

Iíll test it today or Sunday.
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: CC-Coder on August 10, 2019, 12:41:22 PM
Chased my stalling issue for awhile. Tom sent me a new carb and I bought a Siphon for the free H2O that seems to come with my non-ethanol fuel (Lol), now the stalling issue has disappeared. I have since cut the hose shorter and use a table for the gas can to get it higher than the Mokai tank which I place on the ground. After pouring the fuel into a clean 5 gallon bucket, I could see the water at the bottom. I usually only jig the jigger about halfway down the "From" tank instead of at the bottom where the water collects. Mine would stall while at idle but always restarted afterwards. Glad to get the problem resolved, hope your test is a success. Enjoy the weather, should be a perfect Mokai weekend.

I've thought about a get together but haven't had time to organize the where and when's...someday!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOT6lzoppR8
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Painlesstom on August 10, 2019, 03:56:58 PM
Are there ever ď Mokai Gatherings ď? I would love something like that!

BTW, looks like my stalling issues were fixed today, with Tomís help. Cleaned the carb, but it ran even worse! Took it out, did it all again. Put it back in, and wouldnít even start.
Took it out again, took it apart...again.
Turns out the throttle linkage kept getting knocked off when I put the air filter back on!!🤬🤬🤬

Iíll test it today or Sunday.

Glad I was able to help and that you got it sorted out. I am curious how the throttle linkage was getting knocked off, the way it is designed there is no way it could fall off, come loose, or get knocked off. Did you disable the governor and make new linkage, or maybe the last owner?
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Post by: Craig5251 on August 10, 2019, 04:06:57 PM
Maybe the last owner did something, I donít know. I was a bit frustrated when I was lifting the engine too, ( without the air filter on ) so there was nothing to hold it in place when testing it in the boat.
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Post by: Painlesstom on August 10, 2019, 04:19:48 PM
Gotcha', well I'm sure you can make due for now until the season is over and you send it down to me.  \./8
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Post by: Craig5251 on August 10, 2019, 09:02:43 PM
I will definitely get the new engine from you. Well worth the price for the peace of mind.
Iíll have to take a picture of the impeller shaft, so you can see if it is worn. I grease it before every trip, but I run this boat pretty hard.
Going to hunt for my missing equipment Sunday morning
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Post by: Painlesstom on August 10, 2019, 09:10:32 PM
That motor had one of my clutches on it, even though it was an older design, the shaft won't wear and there is no reason to grease it.  The hull bearing is what you want to grease often.

Good luck with your hunt, nothing more satisfying then recovering something you lost. lol
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Post by: Craig5251 on August 10, 2019, 11:48:21 PM
I meant the hull bearing. No such thing as too much grease
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Post by: Painlesstom on August 10, 2019, 11:59:47 PM
Ahhh ok, very good then.  \./8
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Post by: Larry on August 11, 2019, 01:31:10 PM

Are there ever ď Mokai Gatherings ď? I would love something like that!

Hey Craig5251...I was thinking the same thing. There are a few Mokai owners in the SE Pa, Md and Del area. Just need to find a spot to launch from that everyone for agree on.
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Post by: Craig5251 on August 12, 2019, 09:09:28 AM
Iím very flexible, as long as the water is not rough. My boat doesnít cut through the waves well at all.
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Post by: Craig5251 on August 12, 2019, 09:22:54 AM
My boat runs better than ever now! I was on the water from 11am-7pm, snorkeling different spots, magnet fishing, and searching for the magnet I lost. The water was low, and crystal clear. Thatís very rare on the Schuylkill River.
No luck finding it this time.

Iíll still be replacing the engine this winter, but at least I can use it now.
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Post by: Painlesstom on August 12, 2019, 09:26:21 AM
Glad to hear it's running good now! And even though you didn't find anything, I know you had fun anyhow. lol  \./8
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Post by: Craig5251 on August 19, 2019, 08:04:35 AM
Well, it ran all weekend, but took some water from a wave, and the motor suddenly died. It wonít start at all now. Wasnít much water really, so I have no idea whatís going on.
The battery is fine, and it cranks over, but it doesnít start. Any suggestions?
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Painlesstom on August 19, 2019, 08:26:29 AM
Drop the carb bowl and clean it out, probably got water in it.
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Post by: happul3 on August 19, 2019, 08:38:03 AM
Well, it ran all weekend, but took some water from a wave, and the motor suddenly died. It wonít start at all now. Wasnít much water really, so I have no idea whatís going on.
The battery is fine, and it cranks over, but it doesnít start. Any suggestions?

Either gas or spark must be missing. It's easy to check.

There are probably better way, but I'd start by replacing the spark plug with a new one (make sure gap is correct). If motor still cranks but does not start, remove the plug and smell it - if it is does not smell like gasoline, the carb does not deliver gas. You could pour a bit of gas (<teaspoon) directly into the cylinder, put spark plug back in, and try starting. If it start momentarily then dies that points to problem with gas delivery (carb, fuel pump). 

Otherwise, missing spark remains as main suspect. You could buy an official device designed to check for spark or you could fashion one yourself like this: Put old plug into engine, but do not connect a harness to it. Instead connect the harness to the other spark plug, wrap naked copper wire around plug's thread and  connect the other end of that wire anywhere on on the motor - any bolt will do. Suspend the spark plug such that you have a good view of the gap, crank the engine and watch for the spark to appear in the gap (helps to kill the room light and/or wait for evening). If there no spark, I'd just go ahead and replace the coil/wire/harness assembly. Or you could just replace it preemptively without even checking for spark - its is easy and cheap too.
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Post by: Painlesstom on August 19, 2019, 05:55:08 PM
Please just clean the carb out first, if that isn't it dig deeper. But water coming in the engine compartment and shutting the motor off isn't going to affect the plug, it points to water in the carb so that would be the first thing to check right off the bat. And changing the coil is not that easy for some people, highly unlikely to be the problem. I've never seen one quit working either.
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Post by: Craig5251 on August 19, 2019, 10:04:13 PM
Thanks guys. Iíll clean the bowl first for sure. Anything other than the carb is beyond my abilities.
Iím working long hours this week, so I may not even get to it until Saturday. Iíll try to at least drop the bowl sooner, to get any water out.
If I canít get it to run, perhaps a trip to Delaware could be arranged?
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Post by: Painlesstom on August 19, 2019, 10:23:22 PM
If you look at the bottom of the bowl, you will see a smaller screw offset to the larger one that removes the bowl. That is the bowl drain. Take it out and let the bowl drain into a cup or something so you can see what drained out. Easy fix if that's all it is.
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Post by: Craig5251 on August 19, 2019, 10:32:29 PM
I will do that.
I failed to mention...........itís salt water.

I had to cross two boat channels to get back to my put-in. The big boats showed no mercy! Going full speed all around me.
Thatís when I got wet, and it died.
Ran great all weekend until that. Fresh water wash outs several times too.
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Post by: Painlesstom on August 20, 2019, 01:05:45 AM
Salt water just ensures there will be no long term life to the boat, doesn't change the right now situation. My muffler is not designed for salt water at all, nor should it ever get wet and left to air dry, or it will rust out and likely melt something if you don't catch it in time. These are lawn mower engines, salt water will eat them up and spit them out. If you like your Mokai, keep it out of that stuff.  :(
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Post by: happul3 on August 20, 2019, 03:31:48 PM
Thanks guys. Iíll clean the bowl first for sure. Anything other than the carb is beyond my abilities.
Iím working long hours this week, so I may not even get to it until Saturday. Iíll try to at least drop the bowl sooner, to get any water out.
If I canít get it to run, perhaps a trip to Delaware could be arranged?

Craig,  I'll gladly help however I can if you'd like to bring the boat to DE (I am available this week and probably first half of the next).  To be clear, as a mechanic I am not even close to Tom's league, but I did re-build EX21 myself and it still runs fine :) 

 
Title: Re: New owner!
Post by: Craig5251 on August 21, 2019, 11:45:08 PM
Salt water just ensures there will be no long term life to the boat, doesn't change the right now situation. My muffler is not designed for salt water at all, nor should it ever get wet and left to air dry, or it will rust out and likely melt something if you don't catch it in time. These are lawn mower engines, salt water will eat them up and spit them out. If you like your Mokai, keep it out of that stuff.  :(

Yeah, that was my last time for sure. I may look at a Jon Boat down the road for the salt water, but no hurry.
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Post by: Craig5251 on August 21, 2019, 11:47:15 PM
I found Tomís link for cleaning the carb, but if thatís not it, Iíll give you a shout for sure. THANK YOU!
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Post by: CC-Coder on August 22, 2019, 12:36:23 PM
I found Tomís link for cleaning the carb, but if thatís not it, Iíll give you a shout for sure. THANK YOU!

Tom sent me this link awhile back to aid in my reassembling the carb, tremendous help since I'm not the most mechanically inclined. You can just use the first half of the video for carb info and the second half if your looking to get a closer look at an intercooler set up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUx3nmkqMJo

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Post by: Painlesstom on August 22, 2019, 03:49:01 PM
Yeah, that was my last time for sure. I may look at a Jon Boat down the road for the salt water, but no hurry.

Good deal, glad to hear that. lol   A small 12 or 14' skiff would be good for salt water, fiberglass with an outboard is what you want to have out there in that stuff.
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Post by: Craig5251 on August 23, 2019, 10:25:17 PM
Yeah, Iím thinking a small one with a jet outboard, but thatís a long way away.

I just ordered some Marine JB Weld, and will be resurfacing my wear ring soon.
Iíll find out Saturday after work if the motor starts. I drained the bowl, but had to get to work.
Iíll let you know how it goes!
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Post by: Craig5251 on August 25, 2019, 11:27:22 AM
Well, I cleaned out the barb bowl ( was surprised at how only a small amount of gas dripped out ). Put the motor back in, and nothing......Not happy.
I will try doing a full clean out again. If that doesnít work, Iíll give Happul3 a visit.
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Post by: Craig5251 on August 25, 2019, 02:21:28 PM
Cleaned everything out, but wonít start at all. Plug & wire look good too.
There are two wires hanging from where the throttle joystick is, but Iím pretty sure itís from a previous accessory.

If your available next weekend Happul3, Iíd love to come see you! If you shoot me an address, that would be great!